It's very simple: people who attack music festivals, slaughter noncombatants, kidnap civilians, rape women, spit on their corpses, and parade them around to cheering crowds back in the hometown...
Those are not the good guys.
Not every conflict *has* good guys. But if you're siding with those guys, you need your head examined.
If the person you feel is defending justice is engaging in atrocities against civilians (and using his extended family as human shields)— what kind of misanthropic justice do you believe in? What kind of government do you dream such people are going to create?
It'll be a lovely democratic arrangement that respects everybody's rights, enables peace and prosperity, and treats women respectfully, right? ... right?
The hidden hands on the strings of Hamas ....CIA?, MI6?, Rothschilds and similar powers? I do not know who they are, who was involved, but it does seem to have several possible planners.
I'd say 9/11 the real 9/11 (not the hijackers with box cutters and pilots who could hardly fly a single engined plane somehow doing what the Organisation Pilots for 9/11 Truth say was an utterly impossible thing to do, flying the plane into the pentagon, or the group known as Architects and Engineers for truth said happened to building 7 , the 3rd building to collapse at freefall speed into its own footprint on that day) is not as good a comparison as say Pearl Harbour. Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen ( Opporation Octopus) The result was the war expanded as the USA, now with outraged citizens could be easily taken into the global conflict.... resulting in the first Nuclear war against a nation. The killing of 250 innocent music concert goers ...... which is nothing other than wholesale murder, is enough to create outrage on a scale that will allow the Israeli government to commit equal if not greater numbers of murders of innocent civilians. Righteous murder is still murder, and it will create more Righteous calls for more of the same. This could be the start of the 3rd world war and war gives the hidden powers all the excuses they need to finally bring about total global collapse and the solution of a one world government/ currency/ passport (internet and travel) The next few months is going to be very interesting..... will they ramp up the war drums via the media, will the major powers take sides? My bet is the 3rd world war started on saturday.
You have articulated some of the thoughts swirling round my mind too.
I find it curious that the border was breeched so easily and with little immediate response, or that such a coordinated and planned attack had not been at least hinted at in any of the various intelligence-gathering operations that go on.
It's a strange day indeed when the most intelligent commentary on this event is to be found in David Ickes video on the subject. Who would have thought ? He mentions that very thing Rudolph.....Mossad and the Israeli military intelligence (and who ever they are linked up with) did not know this was coming ? An attack on this scale....Seems implausible.
Hamas explained it themselves and they are bragging about how smart they are.
They stated that they have worked hard for the last decade to ‘act peaceful’ and show the Israelis (and the West) that they weren’t interested in taking military action.
They basically lulled the Israelis to sleep while preparing for this attack.
No need for conspiracy theories about Mossad and the Rothschilds, or US intelligence....
The “people” who behind this, both in Teheran and Gaza, are BRAGGING about their involvement....
If you think that any of those clowns are not taking orders from higher forces you are missing a lot of data. And the official story is Oswald acting alone killed Kennedy. And the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand started a world war, and that weapons of mass destruction were the real reason we publicly hanged Saddam Husain. Perhaps the CIA does not arm and train terrorists? Perhaps Ukraine is investing 100's of billions of US tax payers money into buying weapons and not siphoning half it into private bank accounts. 🤠👍
Im not addressing the whole litany of conspiracy theories going back to what.... the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914??? Or the Kennedy assassination? Or whatever....
You simply don’t need a conspiracy theory to explain the Hamas, and now the Hezbollah, attacks on Israel.
The animals who are doing it are bragging about it.
And the Iranians are supplying money, arms and expertise, which they are proudly crowing about.
It has nothing to do with the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the ‘banksters”, or the myriad of other forces that supposedly control everything......
I think the "conspiracy" here, at least for me, surrounds the security failure of the border. Several prior members of the IDF involved in security at this border have expressed concerns and confusion over how the Hamas attack could be possible without swift intervention. There's something not entirely adding up - at least that's my assessment so far, but we'll have to wait and see, I guess.
I really think that it’s simply a matter of complacency and wishful thinking.
Eventually routine becomes dangerous. People stop paying attention to small details that might indicate a problem and Hamas has been bragging about lulling the Israelis to sleep ever since the attack.
Nah, it all started when Sara told Abraham to chase off Hagar and her son Ishamel.
See, according to Hagar, Ishmael as the first born was to inherit Abraham's lands. But according Sara, her son (who was born later) was to inherit because she and Abraham were married.
No matter which trail you follow through the war between palestinian arab and israeli jew, you always wind up back at two women fighting over whose son gets to inherit his father's lands.
Since both sides believe they are in the right, and cannot change, it is intractable using its own logic. Therefore, the western world's best course of action is to condemn atrocities but otherwise stay out and not take sides (looking at you, US!), especially not via foreign aid (Sweden, UK, many others).
Let them kill each other, jew and palestinian, to their hearts content, but leave us out of it.
What you need to realise, perhaps, is that the Hamas-members committing atrocities are not an extremist fringe, shunned by other arab-moslems.
They are representative of mainstream arab culture and of islam.
In Sweden, a nation which has provided asylum to tens of thousands of palestinians over the decades and which has donated over ten billion pounds from the 1970s to today to palestinian organisations (sadly, including Hamas but that's feminists and socialist democrats for you), palestinians have been celebrating in the streets of many cities and towns, chanting their "Kill all jews"-shanties.
This inlcudes small children with palestinian parents born here, as well as old 1st generation migrants.
They rejoice in sharing and glorifying the images of palestinian moslems raping young women to death using bayonets, then parading their bodies around letting their people stomp them.
That is the normal, average run-of-the-mill arab. That is what they are.
After 9/11 in the US, we had children singing "Death to the Great Satan" in our kindergartens, children born here by moslem parents.
Palestinian politicians in Sweden is now warning us swedes, that if we "seem to side with Israel" by which they mean call Hamas for what they are, there could be... trouble.
That is arab gratitude. That is what the arab is, and that is why every single one must be driven from Europe.
I hesitate to "like" this because I disagree with your conclusions, whilst agreeing that there is a significant "extremist" problem within Islam. I also would take issue with your painting of Arabs as a homogenous bloc here - the large majority of Arabs that I've ever met or worked with have not been as you describe here.
But there is a problem - because there is a minority who are a problem and who cause serious problems for everyone else. I just don't like your "identity politics" solution here.
Harsh, yes, but experience-based. I'm not writing the above sitting in some progressive-liberal whites-only suburb where IT-somethings and humanities-whatsits goes "Fwah!" over their Prosecco; I've 25 years of living in one of the top-three migrant areas of Sweden, working there as a teacher in schools where one out of twenty students tops are actual swedes, and the majority are moslem of Mid-Eastern, mainly arab, origin.
Cruelty to the arab simply means demonstrating that they have power, and that the weaker had better obey and show deferrence, or else. This cultural trait is so strong, they will always blame the victim of their sadistic behaviour for causing it, due to not "showing respect".
What I find very disconcerting is, in all western nations the majority of indigenous women support Palestine, arabs and islam.
That's why I think that they have no actual experience of arabs. I've spent a lot of time in Turkey, a Moslem country to be sure, and the only times I was harassed, frightened, or threatened was by arabs. Likewise, when I visited Paris 30 years ago, I was harassed by arabs. I can only imagine how bad it is nowadays.
In the 1970s and 1980s, sun-bathing topless was common in Sweden. Nowadays, swedish women have to avoid beaches where there are arabs or negros, unless they are escorted by men.
Otherwise they may be harassed or worse, and if they argue back they will be assaulted. If they press charges they are harassed and persecuted by the suspects, their families and relatives.
And if such a woman should snap and say something like "Take your filthy paws off me, you dirty so-and-so!", she will be prosecuted for hate-speech. If it's filmed, she will be identified and her employer will be pressured to fire her, she will be blacklisted and her family coerced to shun her.
That is what comes from allowing arabs, african negros and such into your nation. The US is about to learn that race, ethnicity, culture and so on doesn't stop at the border.
No, but they have a logical justification: war is a profitable industry. That wet blanket Trump didn’t start enough of them, so he had to go and must never be allowed to return, lest peace reign. The writing is on the wall, though: There are enough people waking up to the truth that war is foolish that the war machine thinks it needs to grab all the wealth it can before the music stops.
“Israel” smells as badly as “9/11”, “Iraq”, “Afghanistan”, “Covid” and “Ukraine”. They’re all huge transfers of wealth from the useless eaters to the global elite.
I remember when something like a million people in the UK marched against the war in Iraq (the one we started because Saddam apparently had all these nasty WMD's for which evidence just couldn't be found afterwards. Oh well, we really DID believe he had them - trust us).
The numbers on the march were extraordinary for the UK, but it made no difference, of course, because there was too much profit to be had.
They can easily ignore marches, but they can’t ignore the fact that military recruitment has fallen on hard times — they are running out of cannon fodder. The neocon jingos made a bad deal getting in bed with the “progressives” who want to destroy the military.
Maybe this current generation of military-age young men will finally display some fortitude and refuse to be conscripted (oh yes, it’s coming).
This has been a long terrible conflict between Israel and the Palestine. I don't know too much about it either, and I don't know how many Palestinians Hamas represents. I feel sad every time innocent people are killed, there doesn't need to be "sides" in this long history. It's just sad.
We need to recognize that war propaganda will be released immediately by both sides to shape opinions around the world. Some of the images and stories we see are true, some partially true, and some totally fabricated.
Chris Hedges, experienced war correspondent, who has seen more than his share of violence, and speaks against all war, and has spent time in Israel/Palestine wrote this:
That's a useful take on things from a more pro-Palestinian side. It's important to try to understand all perspectives on things. I have some issues with the framing of the whole Israel/Palestine thing as one of colonialism - it fits the current "post-colonial" narratives much loved of the "critical social justice" types, but I don't find it wholly persuasive when applied to the events of this region.
For a more starkly pro-Jewish perspective Melanie Phillips gives an account here :
For a more balanced view from a historian who is highly regarded (but attacked by both sides) then Benny Morris' interview with Coleman Hughes is excellent
I have friends who are avid proponents on both sides - that is, Zionists, and Palestinians, and I have listened and argued long hours with both. I don't have any absolutely solid opinions or answers, and actively distrust as propaganda whatever I see on my old trusted news outlets (especially after the last three years). If anything, that pushes me in the opposite direction of its messaging. So, to your suggestions of listening to different accounts, I agree that's important; I support and do that too. Indeed, i just read a Benny Morris interview, linked to on a Euggypius post.
Maybe my only firm opinion is that violence, visited on someone who isn't actively threatening you, is a violation on a deep level, beyond the level of laws or social mores or morals even -- I believe that it fundamentally damages the perpetrator (spiritually? psychically?) as well as the victim, and is not going to solve the problem. The whole thing, the whole situation, is a depressing travesty. I can't really spend much more time looking at it. It just depresses me, and I'm doing no good to anyone in that state.
If so, then why do palestinians act the same way here in Sweden, against us swedes who has done nothing but help them, provide for them and make room for them?
No, they act as is consistent with their racial cultural heritage, and nothing more.
This kind of response feels a bit reminiscent of the kinds of things I heard and saw spoken about the unvaccinated in my country (Canada). Sweeping generalizations, pronounced with absolute certainty as to our motivations and personalities ("stupid," "unscientific," "selfish", and guilty of a kind of societal violence against the vulnerable, etc.).
I don't know the Palestinians in Sweden, and if they are behaving violently as a group towards Swedes, that's awful. I have lived in the Middle East though, and met plenty of Palestinians, there, and here (in Canada) and in my limited experience, they are as varied as any other group of people, and I don't believe that violence is part of their racial cultural heritage, any more than it is of the people of my own heritage (Irish, Scottish, Swedish) all of whom have also been violent at one time or another. The Palestinians I've met here in Canada have appreciated being granted Canadian citizenship (which they are not granted in the Gulf countries - only residence permits, dependant on their ongoing employment), although they still mourn the loss of family homes in what was Palestine.
While I categorically condemn violence, especially against innocent civilians, and what happened to the victims of Hamas a few days ago is horrific and inexcusable, I can also empathize with the Palestinians' unbalanced and insecure status as stateless people, and with decades of theft of land and homes, violence, cruelty, starvation, torture, apartheid, etc. they have experienced in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank. And the collective punishment now being inflicted on them is also absolutely wrong. The lack of any recognition of what has been happening to them, and to the wrongness of this retaliation, in the news, is just more of the black and white garbage the media feeds us about all topics these days.
It's very simple: people who attack music festivals, slaughter noncombatants, kidnap civilians, rape women, spit on their corpses, and parade them around to cheering crowds back in the hometown...
Those are not the good guys.
Not every conflict *has* good guys. But if you're siding with those guys, you need your head examined.
Exactly.
If the person you feel is defending justice is engaging in atrocities against civilians (and using his extended family as human shields)— what kind of misanthropic justice do you believe in? What kind of government do you dream such people are going to create?
It'll be a lovely democratic arrangement that respects everybody's rights, enables peace and prosperity, and treats women respectfully, right? ... right?
The hidden hands on the strings of Hamas ....CIA?, MI6?, Rothschilds and similar powers? I do not know who they are, who was involved, but it does seem to have several possible planners.
I'd say 9/11 the real 9/11 (not the hijackers with box cutters and pilots who could hardly fly a single engined plane somehow doing what the Organisation Pilots for 9/11 Truth say was an utterly impossible thing to do, flying the plane into the pentagon, or the group known as Architects and Engineers for truth said happened to building 7 , the 3rd building to collapse at freefall speed into its own footprint on that day) is not as good a comparison as say Pearl Harbour. Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen ( Opporation Octopus) The result was the war expanded as the USA, now with outraged citizens could be easily taken into the global conflict.... resulting in the first Nuclear war against a nation. The killing of 250 innocent music concert goers ...... which is nothing other than wholesale murder, is enough to create outrage on a scale that will allow the Israeli government to commit equal if not greater numbers of murders of innocent civilians. Righteous murder is still murder, and it will create more Righteous calls for more of the same. This could be the start of the 3rd world war and war gives the hidden powers all the excuses they need to finally bring about total global collapse and the solution of a one world government/ currency/ passport (internet and travel) The next few months is going to be very interesting..... will they ramp up the war drums via the media, will the major powers take sides? My bet is the 3rd world war started on saturday.
You have articulated some of the thoughts swirling round my mind too.
I find it curious that the border was breeched so easily and with little immediate response, or that such a coordinated and planned attack had not been at least hinted at in any of the various intelligence-gathering operations that go on.
I have a bad feeling about this, as they say.
It's a strange day indeed when the most intelligent commentary on this event is to be found in David Ickes video on the subject. Who would have thought ? He mentions that very thing Rudolph.....Mossad and the Israeli military intelligence (and who ever they are linked up with) did not know this was coming ? An attack on this scale....Seems implausible.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4R7laUciyxPE/
Hamas explained it themselves and they are bragging about how smart they are.
They stated that they have worked hard for the last decade to ‘act peaceful’ and show the Israelis (and the West) that they weren’t interested in taking military action.
They basically lulled the Israelis to sleep while preparing for this attack.
No need for conspiracy theories about Mossad and the Rothschilds, or US intelligence....
The “people” who behind this, both in Teheran and Gaza, are BRAGGING about their involvement....
If you think that any of those clowns are not taking orders from higher forces you are missing a lot of data. And the official story is Oswald acting alone killed Kennedy. And the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand started a world war, and that weapons of mass destruction were the real reason we publicly hanged Saddam Husain. Perhaps the CIA does not arm and train terrorists? Perhaps Ukraine is investing 100's of billions of US tax payers money into buying weapons and not siphoning half it into private bank accounts. 🤠👍
Im not addressing the whole litany of conspiracy theories going back to what.... the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914??? Or the Kennedy assassination? Or whatever....
You simply don’t need a conspiracy theory to explain the Hamas, and now the Hezbollah, attacks on Israel.
The animals who are doing it are bragging about it.
And the Iranians are supplying money, arms and expertise, which they are proudly crowing about.
It has nothing to do with the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the ‘banksters”, or the myriad of other forces that supposedly control everything......
I think the "conspiracy" here, at least for me, surrounds the security failure of the border. Several prior members of the IDF involved in security at this border have expressed concerns and confusion over how the Hamas attack could be possible without swift intervention. There's something not entirely adding up - at least that's my assessment so far, but we'll have to wait and see, I guess.
I really think that it’s simply a matter of complacency and wishful thinking.
Eventually routine becomes dangerous. People stop paying attention to small details that might indicate a problem and Hamas has been bragging about lulling the Israelis to sleep ever since the attack.
Nah, it all started when Sara told Abraham to chase off Hagar and her son Ishamel.
See, according to Hagar, Ishmael as the first born was to inherit Abraham's lands. But according Sara, her son (who was born later) was to inherit because she and Abraham were married.
No matter which trail you follow through the war between palestinian arab and israeli jew, you always wind up back at two women fighting over whose son gets to inherit his father's lands.
Since both sides believe they are in the right, and cannot change, it is intractable using its own logic. Therefore, the western world's best course of action is to condemn atrocities but otherwise stay out and not take sides (looking at you, US!), especially not via foreign aid (Sweden, UK, many others).
Let them kill each other, jew and palestinian, to their hearts content, but leave us out of it.
What you need to realise, perhaps, is that the Hamas-members committing atrocities are not an extremist fringe, shunned by other arab-moslems.
They are representative of mainstream arab culture and of islam.
In Sweden, a nation which has provided asylum to tens of thousands of palestinians over the decades and which has donated over ten billion pounds from the 1970s to today to palestinian organisations (sadly, including Hamas but that's feminists and socialist democrats for you), palestinians have been celebrating in the streets of many cities and towns, chanting their "Kill all jews"-shanties.
This inlcudes small children with palestinian parents born here, as well as old 1st generation migrants.
They rejoice in sharing and glorifying the images of palestinian moslems raping young women to death using bayonets, then parading their bodies around letting their people stomp them.
That is the normal, average run-of-the-mill arab. That is what they are.
After 9/11 in the US, we had children singing "Death to the Great Satan" in our kindergartens, children born here by moslem parents.
Palestinian politicians in Sweden is now warning us swedes, that if we "seem to side with Israel" by which they mean call Hamas for what they are, there could be... trouble.
That is arab gratitude. That is what the arab is, and that is why every single one must be driven from Europe.
I hesitate to "like" this because I disagree with your conclusions, whilst agreeing that there is a significant "extremist" problem within Islam. I also would take issue with your painting of Arabs as a homogenous bloc here - the large majority of Arabs that I've ever met or worked with have not been as you describe here.
But there is a problem - because there is a minority who are a problem and who cause serious problems for everyone else. I just don't like your "identity politics" solution here.
Harsh but accurate. I think that anyone who supports this kind of thing is either an arab themselves, or someone who has never met an arab.
Harsh, yes, but experience-based. I'm not writing the above sitting in some progressive-liberal whites-only suburb where IT-somethings and humanities-whatsits goes "Fwah!" over their Prosecco; I've 25 years of living in one of the top-three migrant areas of Sweden, working there as a teacher in schools where one out of twenty students tops are actual swedes, and the majority are moslem of Mid-Eastern, mainly arab, origin.
Cruelty to the arab simply means demonstrating that they have power, and that the weaker had better obey and show deferrence, or else. This cultural trait is so strong, they will always blame the victim of their sadistic behaviour for causing it, due to not "showing respect".
What I find very disconcerting is, in all western nations the majority of indigenous women support Palestine, arabs and islam.
That's why I think that they have no actual experience of arabs. I've spent a lot of time in Turkey, a Moslem country to be sure, and the only times I was harassed, frightened, or threatened was by arabs. Likewise, when I visited Paris 30 years ago, I was harassed by arabs. I can only imagine how bad it is nowadays.
In the 1970s and 1980s, sun-bathing topless was common in Sweden. Nowadays, swedish women have to avoid beaches where there are arabs or negros, unless they are escorted by men.
Otherwise they may be harassed or worse, and if they argue back they will be assaulted. If they press charges they are harassed and persecuted by the suspects, their families and relatives.
And if such a woman should snap and say something like "Take your filthy paws off me, you dirty so-and-so!", she will be prosecuted for hate-speech. If it's filmed, she will be identified and her employer will be pressured to fire her, she will be blacklisted and her family coerced to shun her.
That is what comes from allowing arabs, african negros and such into your nation. The US is about to learn that race, ethnicity, culture and so on doesn't stop at the border.
The leopard does not change his spots.
“cannot, have any kind of moral justification.”
No, but they have a logical justification: war is a profitable industry. That wet blanket Trump didn’t start enough of them, so he had to go and must never be allowed to return, lest peace reign. The writing is on the wall, though: There are enough people waking up to the truth that war is foolish that the war machine thinks it needs to grab all the wealth it can before the music stops.
“Israel” smells as badly as “9/11”, “Iraq”, “Afghanistan”, “Covid” and “Ukraine”. They’re all huge transfers of wealth from the useless eaters to the global elite.
Watch your wallet.
I remember when something like a million people in the UK marched against the war in Iraq (the one we started because Saddam apparently had all these nasty WMD's for which evidence just couldn't be found afterwards. Oh well, we really DID believe he had them - trust us).
The numbers on the march were extraordinary for the UK, but it made no difference, of course, because there was too much profit to be had.
They can easily ignore marches, but they can’t ignore the fact that military recruitment has fallen on hard times — they are running out of cannon fodder. The neocon jingos made a bad deal getting in bed with the “progressives” who want to destroy the military.
Maybe this current generation of military-age young men will finally display some fortitude and refuse to be conscripted (oh yes, it’s coming).
It’s hard to have a war if nobody shows up.
Absofuckinglutely!
One tin soldier rides away...
I'm giving this a like - even though I have no clue what you mean here. I'm probably being dumb and missing something obvious.
This has been a long terrible conflict between Israel and the Palestine. I don't know too much about it either, and I don't know how many Palestinians Hamas represents. I feel sad every time innocent people are killed, there doesn't need to be "sides" in this long history. It's just sad.
We need to recognize that war propaganda will be released immediately by both sides to shape opinions around the world. Some of the images and stories we see are true, some partially true, and some totally fabricated.
Yup - it's going to be an absolute clusterfuck of propaganda and counter-propaganda over the coming days.
Chris Hedges, experienced war correspondent, who has seen more than his share of violence, and speaks against all war, and has spent time in Israel/Palestine wrote this:
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/palestinians-speak-the-language-of
That's a useful take on things from a more pro-Palestinian side. It's important to try to understand all perspectives on things. I have some issues with the framing of the whole Israel/Palestine thing as one of colonialism - it fits the current "post-colonial" narratives much loved of the "critical social justice" types, but I don't find it wholly persuasive when applied to the events of this region.
For a more starkly pro-Jewish perspective Melanie Phillips gives an account here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOgKHw6HY4
For a more balanced view from a historian who is highly regarded (but attacked by both sides) then Benny Morris' interview with Coleman Hughes is excellent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8F4NLr4E0
I have friends who are avid proponents on both sides - that is, Zionists, and Palestinians, and I have listened and argued long hours with both. I don't have any absolutely solid opinions or answers, and actively distrust as propaganda whatever I see on my old trusted news outlets (especially after the last three years). If anything, that pushes me in the opposite direction of its messaging. So, to your suggestions of listening to different accounts, I agree that's important; I support and do that too. Indeed, i just read a Benny Morris interview, linked to on a Euggypius post.
Maybe my only firm opinion is that violence, visited on someone who isn't actively threatening you, is a violation on a deep level, beyond the level of laws or social mores or morals even -- I believe that it fundamentally damages the perpetrator (spiritually? psychically?) as well as the victim, and is not going to solve the problem. The whole thing, the whole situation, is a depressing travesty. I can't really spend much more time looking at it. It just depresses me, and I'm doing no good to anyone in that state.
If so, then why do palestinians act the same way here in Sweden, against us swedes who has done nothing but help them, provide for them and make room for them?
No, they act as is consistent with their racial cultural heritage, and nothing more.
This kind of response feels a bit reminiscent of the kinds of things I heard and saw spoken about the unvaccinated in my country (Canada). Sweeping generalizations, pronounced with absolute certainty as to our motivations and personalities ("stupid," "unscientific," "selfish", and guilty of a kind of societal violence against the vulnerable, etc.).
I don't know the Palestinians in Sweden, and if they are behaving violently as a group towards Swedes, that's awful. I have lived in the Middle East though, and met plenty of Palestinians, there, and here (in Canada) and in my limited experience, they are as varied as any other group of people, and I don't believe that violence is part of their racial cultural heritage, any more than it is of the people of my own heritage (Irish, Scottish, Swedish) all of whom have also been violent at one time or another. The Palestinians I've met here in Canada have appreciated being granted Canadian citizenship (which they are not granted in the Gulf countries - only residence permits, dependant on their ongoing employment), although they still mourn the loss of family homes in what was Palestine.
While I categorically condemn violence, especially against innocent civilians, and what happened to the victims of Hamas a few days ago is horrific and inexcusable, I can also empathize with the Palestinians' unbalanced and insecure status as stateless people, and with decades of theft of land and homes, violence, cruelty, starvation, torture, apartheid, etc. they have experienced in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank. And the collective punishment now being inflicted on them is also absolutely wrong. The lack of any recognition of what has been happening to them, and to the wrongness of this retaliation, in the news, is just more of the black and white garbage the media feeds us about all topics these days.