I visited family in France and took them some of our famous Puerto Rican coffee beans only to find out that the war had trained them to appreciate chicory much better. They preferred their chicory/coffee mix. Oh well.
I think the standard response to all statements like 'If you drink coffee, you are a white supremacist' should be 'Yep, great', or words to that affect and to move on leaving in your wake a great wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I sometimes wonder about carrying a kind of bingo card with me so that if I'm accused of being some ist or phobe or other I can say "Hang on a moment, I don't think I've collected that one. Let me check" - and then pretend to check it off the list with a happy smile saying "Excellent, I've nearly got the full set"
Many years ago when training in counselling the tutor said you could often stop an insulting exchange to you personally just by agreeing with the other person. Essentially just saying 'Yes' in response takes the wind out of their sails, becaue that then ends the conversation, though in these less civilised times they will probably have a complete breakdown and tantrum, to which one should not respond. In much the same way that one should ignore a 2 yr olds temper tantrum. I think non-reaction to all the wokists' accusations could put paid to much of the nonsense.
The Black of the coffee mixes with white double cream and creates delicious diversity.
In Libya today since NATO assisted in the public murder of Gadaffi, you can enjoy a nice cup of coffee while buying slaves in slave markets, but that’s not really true because the if it was, I’m sure Rachel Madcow would be reporting on it. The BBC would be all over that story.
This Karen is enjoying a mug of the “wine of Araby” as we speak. As Ben Franklin wrote, “Among the numerous luxuries of the table…coffee may be considered as one of the most valuable. It excites cheerfulness without intoxication; and the pleasing flow of spirits which it occasions…is never followed by sadness, languor or debility.”
My prescription, therefore, is that the author of that absurd propaganda piece enjoy a double espresso with friends. Besides, tea was the OG white supremacist beverage. Nice try, coffee.
“The exploitation of the world by the evil whitey wasn’t about racism. It was about diet.”
Well, to be fair, if the Spice Islands had been known as the Starch Islands, their conquest might not have been one of the first things Europeans got done after learning how to cross oceans on ships.
I had some time so I went to the AFRU site and what a strange place it is! It seems like an extremely elaborate hoax but It could be real and, as such, may give valuable insight into how young progressives think (hint: they're insane and really dumb!). I feel like my IQ has gone down by 20 points--thanks a lot, Mr Rigger!
yes, I'm about 60/40 in favour of the whole site being a hoax.
The bit about how milk is a racist drink was, perhaps, a little too crazy even by the standards of woke. It's just a fraction over the top. But it's so hard to tell because the AFRU piece does contain a lot of the kind of commentary I've seen elsewhere - so it could be genuine.
The bit about milk being an alt-right drink has been around since at least 2018--that part's real! The other stories I read; "I thought I was pregnant even though I'm a virgin", "I burnt my privates with Nair because of a man I'd never actually met", and my favorite, "Not liking the term Latinx is transphobic because of queer white women being gamemasters in Dungeons and Dragons" (or some incoherent mess of blather) affected me deeply. And not in a good way. I'd certainly like to think it's not real, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
Does it make me not a racist that I prefer my coffee black...with no creamy whiteness being used to lighten that beautiful blackness? Which I’m sure is a sign of inherent racism. I also prefer my milk chocolate so that should help assuage any guilt I should have over my preference of apparently racist beverages. My milk is provided by a brown cow so...
BTW, I saw this story yesterday and thought it must be satire. But I’m afraid it’s not. Let’s face it...if you’re white, everything you
think or do, and now your choice of drink, is racist.
As I said in my reply to Laura - I'm about 60/40 in favour of this being a parody site and a parody article.
The bit about milk does overegg the pudding a bit in my view - but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it's genuine. I mean, let's face it, these daft buggers seem to believe that you can change your sex by the miracle of self-identification - and there's nothing in this article **quite** as batshit bonkers as that.
"I now have this image of a bunch of black-clad 17th century Dutch special forces on a daring raid to steal the secret of coffee as they attempt to penetrate the highly fortified and secure coffee farms of Africa." That has the making of a great heist novel or movie.
[Expletive pejoratives] cry about others being better and that it is others being better that makes them bad.
Real humans make themselves better instead.
This also holds true on the culture/race-level.
And it's not any africans driving this hatred against us and who sruggle to pave the way to declare whites of all kinds Untermenschen - it is americans and americanised euopean academics and pundits and the like.
I've never met an african who referred to him or herself as "black". Somali, hutu, tutsi, zulu, namibian, sudanese or any of the virtually uncountable peoples and tribes in that great (in all senses) continent. The africans I've met and worked with have never behaved like the pathologically whiny and victim-playing black americans: they've been proud of their heritage of which colonisation is often a recognised part (without any bile) and they've always resented being lumped together as "blacks", just as my generation and older ones resent being called "europeans" by clueless americans who think we are all one people. Try going to Greece and explain to a greek that he is the same as an albanian, or tell a serb that he is the same as kroat - good effing luck.
By the way, your favourite climate-hobgoblin is up for an honorary doctorate at the university of Helsinki (dep. of theology).
Truly it was said in ancient times, that it is not titles that honours men, but men who honours titles.
Yup - the uni I worked at was in a pretty racially diverse place. I worked with colleagues of all sorts of skin tones and from all sorts of cultures. We definitely do race consciousness much better in the west.
Dr Greta? Oh lord. Mind you, her predictions are about as useless as Ferguson's and his doctorate is apparently earned.
I'd take this piece into every "woke" restaurant and coffeeshop I could find that serves coffee - probably quite a few of them in places like Portland - and accuse them of flagrant racism. In fact, picket "woke" coffeshops until they close down. The side effect of this would be that the "woke" would no longer be "woke" - in the mornings at least. And those black slaves had to be bought from someone -
"Slavery was prevalent in many West and Central African societies before and during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. When diverse African empires, small to medium-sized nations, or kinship groups came into conflict for various political and economic reasons, individuals from one African group regularly enslaved captives from another group because they viewed them as outsiders. The rulers of these slaveholding societies could then exert power over these captives as prisoners of war for labor needs, to expand their kinship group or nation, influence and disseminate spiritual beliefs, or potentially to trade for economic gain. Though shared African ethnic identities such as Yoruba or Mandinka may have been influential in this context, the concept of a unified black racial identity, or of individual freedoms and labor rights, were not yet meaningful." https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/africanpassageslowcountryadapt/introductionatlanticworld/slaverybeforetrade
and
"Greene’s research focuses on the history of slavery in West Africa, especially Ghana, where warring political communities in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries enslaved their enemies, and the impact can still be felt today. “Slavery in the United States ended in 1865,” says Greene, “but in West Africa it was not legally ended until 1875, and then it stretched on unofficially until almost World War I. Slavery continued because many people weren’t aware that it had ended, similar to what happened in Texas after the United States Civil War.” While 11 to 12 million people are estimated to have been exported as slaves from West Africa during the years of the slave trade, millions more were retained in Africa. “It’s not something that many West African countries talk about,” says Greene. “It’s not exactly a proud moment because everyone now realizes that slavery is not acceptable.” https://research.cornell.edu/news-features/curious-history-slavery-west-africa
Besides all of what happened in North America - where 5% of African slaves ended up - there's South and Central America - where most coffee is grown - and that's where 95% of African slaves went to - https://aaregistry.org/story/blacks-in-latin-america-a-brief-history/ Perhaps the AFRU people should have a page directed towards those regions...
And it persists: "Overall, populations identified as having the lightest skin fall into the highest wealth brackets in Mexico, while those with the darkest skin are concentrated at the bottom. These dynamics, other studies have found, seem to persist across generations.
Similar disparities emerged when we examined other measures of economic well-being, such as material possessions – like refrigerators and telephones – and basic amenities.
For example, only 2.5 percent of white Mexicans surveyed by Vanderbilt’s pollsters don’t have running water, while upwards of 11 percent of dark-skinned citizens said they lack this basic necessity. Likewise, just 7.5 percent of white Mexicans reported lacking an in-home bathroom, versus 20 percent of dark-skinned Mexicans.
Not a post-racial nation
Our findings complicate the results of numerous prior studies showing that Mexicans do not perceive skin color as a meaningful source of prejudice in their lives.
According to a 2010 national survey on discrimination, Mexicans believe that age, gender and social class have a greater impact on their daily lives than race.
This perception likely relates to the country’s tradition of celebrating its raza mestiza, or multiracial heritage. Just last September, President Enrique Peña Nieto declared el mestizaje – racial mixing – as “the future of humanity.”
The data paints a much less rosy picture. Race, it turns out, has a greater impact on a Mexican’s human development and capital accumulation than any other demographic variable. Our results show that Mexico’s “skin-color gap” is two times the achievement gap documented between northern and southern Mexicans, which is an inequality more often cited in Mexico.
Can't believe you use coffee pods. Cafetiere all the way, plus you're missing out on the comedy one-in-twenty 'press too hard and spray coffee & grounds all over the place' joy.
It's largely a matter of convenience. Plus the fact that I've never really got the hang of one of them cafetiere things. Even with a good ground bean I end up with a lacklustre sludge when using one of those.
When I wake up I want a half-decent tasting and strong coffee - and the pod machine does a reasonably good job and it's a very quick process with little fuss. The machine usually gives me a coffee that tastes better than anything I can get in a Starbucks or a Costa.
Hehe, that used to be a sure-fire way to "spot the swede" when down on the Continent in ages past. Cafetieres (called press-cans here) were virtually unheard of until the 1990s, so your typical middle-aged swede in the 1980s would when in France or Italy or Belgium would try to force-press the coffee through the thing, with scalding and hilarity as a consequence.
Personally, I use an old army steel coffee pot and gring the beans before throwing them in the boiling water (key is never to rinse the pot with anything but cold water - that way the pot builds up layers of old ground beans over the years, giving it its own flavour).
From Over Here, it looks as if some people haven't got enough work to do...
When you don’t have real work to do, “do the work.”
Unfortunately, from Over Here, a lot of "work" appears to be distractions from what's really happening...
LoL It must be satire.
It has to be - surely?
It's completely mental. But I have been fooled by clever satire before - and doubtless I shall be again 😂
My mother likes ersatz coffee made from chicory, which in German vernacular is known under the beautiful name "Muckefuck".
sounds delicious 😂
I visited family in France and took them some of our famous Puerto Rican coffee beans only to find out that the war had trained them to appreciate chicory much better. They preferred their chicory/coffee mix. Oh well.
It’s surprising that they didn’t add tea to the list of racist beverages... Drink it while you still can!!!
I think the standard response to all statements like 'If you drink coffee, you are a white supremacist' should be 'Yep, great', or words to that affect and to move on leaving in your wake a great wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Indeed
I sometimes wonder about carrying a kind of bingo card with me so that if I'm accused of being some ist or phobe or other I can say "Hang on a moment, I don't think I've collected that one. Let me check" - and then pretend to check it off the list with a happy smile saying "Excellent, I've nearly got the full set"
I do like that option.
Many years ago when training in counselling the tutor said you could often stop an insulting exchange to you personally just by agreeing with the other person. Essentially just saying 'Yes' in response takes the wind out of their sails, becaue that then ends the conversation, though in these less civilised times they will probably have a complete breakdown and tantrum, to which one should not respond. In much the same way that one should ignore a 2 yr olds temper tantrum. I think non-reaction to all the wokists' accusations could put paid to much of the nonsense.
The Black of the coffee mixes with white double cream and creates delicious diversity.
In Libya today since NATO assisted in the public murder of Gadaffi, you can enjoy a nice cup of coffee while buying slaves in slave markets, but that’s not really true because the if it was, I’m sure Rachel Madcow would be reporting on it. The BBC would be all over that story.
This Karen is enjoying a mug of the “wine of Araby” as we speak. As Ben Franklin wrote, “Among the numerous luxuries of the table…coffee may be considered as one of the most valuable. It excites cheerfulness without intoxication; and the pleasing flow of spirits which it occasions…is never followed by sadness, languor or debility.”
My prescription, therefore, is that the author of that absurd propaganda piece enjoy a double espresso with friends. Besides, tea was the OG white supremacist beverage. Nice try, coffee.
“The exploitation of the world by the evil whitey wasn’t about racism. It was about diet.”
Well, to be fair, if the Spice Islands had been known as the Starch Islands, their conquest might not have been one of the first things Europeans got done after learning how to cross oceans on ships.
I had some time so I went to the AFRU site and what a strange place it is! It seems like an extremely elaborate hoax but It could be real and, as such, may give valuable insight into how young progressives think (hint: they're insane and really dumb!). I feel like my IQ has gone down by 20 points--thanks a lot, Mr Rigger!
yes, I'm about 60/40 in favour of the whole site being a hoax.
The bit about how milk is a racist drink was, perhaps, a little too crazy even by the standards of woke. It's just a fraction over the top. But it's so hard to tell because the AFRU piece does contain a lot of the kind of commentary I've seen elsewhere - so it could be genuine.
The bit about milk being an alt-right drink has been around since at least 2018--that part's real! The other stories I read; "I thought I was pregnant even though I'm a virgin", "I burnt my privates with Nair because of a man I'd never actually met", and my favorite, "Not liking the term Latinx is transphobic because of queer white women being gamemasters in Dungeons and Dragons" (or some incoherent mess of blather) affected me deeply. And not in a good way. I'd certainly like to think it's not real, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
Does it make me not a racist that I prefer my coffee black...with no creamy whiteness being used to lighten that beautiful blackness? Which I’m sure is a sign of inherent racism. I also prefer my milk chocolate so that should help assuage any guilt I should have over my preference of apparently racist beverages. My milk is provided by a brown cow so...
BTW, I saw this story yesterday and thought it must be satire. But I’m afraid it’s not. Let’s face it...if you’re white, everything you
think or do, and now your choice of drink, is racist.
As I said in my reply to Laura - I'm about 60/40 in favour of this being a parody site and a parody article.
The bit about milk does overegg the pudding a bit in my view - but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that it's genuine. I mean, let's face it, these daft buggers seem to believe that you can change your sex by the miracle of self-identification - and there's nothing in this article **quite** as batshit bonkers as that.
"I now have this image of a bunch of black-clad 17th century Dutch special forces on a daring raid to steal the secret of coffee as they attempt to penetrate the highly fortified and secure coffee farms of Africa." That has the making of a great heist novel or movie.
[Expletive pejoratives] cry about others being better and that it is others being better that makes them bad.
Real humans make themselves better instead.
This also holds true on the culture/race-level.
And it's not any africans driving this hatred against us and who sruggle to pave the way to declare whites of all kinds Untermenschen - it is americans and americanised euopean academics and pundits and the like.
I've never met an african who referred to him or herself as "black". Somali, hutu, tutsi, zulu, namibian, sudanese or any of the virtually uncountable peoples and tribes in that great (in all senses) continent. The africans I've met and worked with have never behaved like the pathologically whiny and victim-playing black americans: they've been proud of their heritage of which colonisation is often a recognised part (without any bile) and they've always resented being lumped together as "blacks", just as my generation and older ones resent being called "europeans" by clueless americans who think we are all one people. Try going to Greece and explain to a greek that he is the same as an albanian, or tell a serb that he is the same as kroat - good effing luck.
By the way, your favourite climate-hobgoblin is up for an honorary doctorate at the university of Helsinki (dep. of theology).
Truly it was said in ancient times, that it is not titles that honours men, but men who honours titles.
Yup - the uni I worked at was in a pretty racially diverse place. I worked with colleagues of all sorts of skin tones and from all sorts of cultures. We definitely do race consciousness much better in the west.
Dr Greta? Oh lord. Mind you, her predictions are about as useless as Ferguson's and his doctorate is apparently earned.
I'd take this piece into every "woke" restaurant and coffeeshop I could find that serves coffee - probably quite a few of them in places like Portland - and accuse them of flagrant racism. In fact, picket "woke" coffeshops until they close down. The side effect of this would be that the "woke" would no longer be "woke" - in the mornings at least. And those black slaves had to be bought from someone -
"Slavery was prevalent in many West and Central African societies before and during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. When diverse African empires, small to medium-sized nations, or kinship groups came into conflict for various political and economic reasons, individuals from one African group regularly enslaved captives from another group because they viewed them as outsiders. The rulers of these slaveholding societies could then exert power over these captives as prisoners of war for labor needs, to expand their kinship group or nation, influence and disseminate spiritual beliefs, or potentially to trade for economic gain. Though shared African ethnic identities such as Yoruba or Mandinka may have been influential in this context, the concept of a unified black racial identity, or of individual freedoms and labor rights, were not yet meaningful." https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/africanpassageslowcountryadapt/introductionatlanticworld/slaverybeforetrade
and
"Greene’s research focuses on the history of slavery in West Africa, especially Ghana, where warring political communities in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries enslaved their enemies, and the impact can still be felt today. “Slavery in the United States ended in 1865,” says Greene, “but in West Africa it was not legally ended until 1875, and then it stretched on unofficially until almost World War I. Slavery continued because many people weren’t aware that it had ended, similar to what happened in Texas after the United States Civil War.” While 11 to 12 million people are estimated to have been exported as slaves from West Africa during the years of the slave trade, millions more were retained in Africa. “It’s not something that many West African countries talk about,” says Greene. “It’s not exactly a proud moment because everyone now realizes that slavery is not acceptable.” https://research.cornell.edu/news-features/curious-history-slavery-west-africa
Good coffee is racist, bad coffee is not. Bad coffee is punishment for racism.
I wonder how irish coffee and kopi luvak-coffee fits into the general theory of racism and coffee.
Would be fun to ask the eejit what wrote the article.
Besides all of what happened in North America - where 5% of African slaves ended up - there's South and Central America - where most coffee is grown - and that's where 95% of African slaves went to - https://aaregistry.org/story/blacks-in-latin-america-a-brief-history/ Perhaps the AFRU people should have a page directed towards those regions...
And it persists: "Overall, populations identified as having the lightest skin fall into the highest wealth brackets in Mexico, while those with the darkest skin are concentrated at the bottom. These dynamics, other studies have found, seem to persist across generations.
Similar disparities emerged when we examined other measures of economic well-being, such as material possessions – like refrigerators and telephones – and basic amenities.
For example, only 2.5 percent of white Mexicans surveyed by Vanderbilt’s pollsters don’t have running water, while upwards of 11 percent of dark-skinned citizens said they lack this basic necessity. Likewise, just 7.5 percent of white Mexicans reported lacking an in-home bathroom, versus 20 percent of dark-skinned Mexicans.
Not a post-racial nation
Our findings complicate the results of numerous prior studies showing that Mexicans do not perceive skin color as a meaningful source of prejudice in their lives.
According to a 2010 national survey on discrimination, Mexicans believe that age, gender and social class have a greater impact on their daily lives than race.
This perception likely relates to the country’s tradition of celebrating its raza mestiza, or multiracial heritage. Just last September, President Enrique Peña Nieto declared el mestizaje – racial mixing – as “the future of humanity.”
The data paints a much less rosy picture. Race, it turns out, has a greater impact on a Mexican’s human development and capital accumulation than any other demographic variable. Our results show that Mexico’s “skin-color gap” is two times the achievement gap documented between northern and southern Mexicans, which is an inequality more often cited in Mexico.
It is also five times greater than the urban-rural divide reported in the poll. We even found that skin color has a significantly greater impact on wealth and education than does ethnicity – that is, indigenous versus white or mixed-race Mexican." https://theconversation.com/study-reveals-racial-inequality-in-mexico-disproving-its-race-blind-rhetoric-87661
Interesting stuff about Mexico there
Can't believe you use coffee pods. Cafetiere all the way, plus you're missing out on the comedy one-in-twenty 'press too hard and spray coffee & grounds all over the place' joy.
It's largely a matter of convenience. Plus the fact that I've never really got the hang of one of them cafetiere things. Even with a good ground bean I end up with a lacklustre sludge when using one of those.
When I wake up I want a half-decent tasting and strong coffee - and the pod machine does a reasonably good job and it's a very quick process with little fuss. The machine usually gives me a coffee that tastes better than anything I can get in a Starbucks or a Costa.
Hehe, that used to be a sure-fire way to "spot the swede" when down on the Continent in ages past. Cafetieres (called press-cans here) were virtually unheard of until the 1990s, so your typical middle-aged swede in the 1980s would when in France or Italy or Belgium would try to force-press the coffee through the thing, with scalding and hilarity as a consequence.
Personally, I use an old army steel coffee pot and gring the beans before throwing them in the boiling water (key is never to rinse the pot with anything but cold water - that way the pot builds up layers of old ground beans over the years, giving it its own flavour).